Thucydides translation book 8

History of the peloponnesian war book by thucydides. And the winter ended, and with it ended also the nineteenth year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book 1, chapter 1. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history due to his strict standards of evidence. Thucydides has 384 books on goodreads with 73618 ratings.

During the renaissance, however, thucydides attracted less interest among western european historians as a political philosopher than his successor, polybius. History of the peloponnesian war, charles forster smith volume 2 of thucydides. Click anywhere in the line to jump to another position. The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the close of the fifth. Urania 1 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 140. The peloponnesian war thucydides, steven lattimore.

The first twentythree chapters paragraphs seem to form a type of introduction, making many claims while also laying out his methodology and some key concepts or themes. Thucydides good translation textkit greek and latin forums. What important information about sicily did the athenians not. History of the peloponnesian war by thucydides, translated by richard crawley book 8. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war translated by richard crawley the first book chapter i. Feb 03, 20 winter thus ended, and with it the eighteenth year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. The first book on your list is by vincent azoulay, and its called pericles of athens. And this winter ended, and with it ended the twentieth year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. Hobbes wording gave me trouble in a few places and it was nice to have the richard. Aftermath of sicilian expedition, sections 12 the beginning of the sicilian expedition 415 bce 1. Thucydides used a few different words that have been translated as excellence or valor where aristotle just used the more common greek word for it. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war 8 vols.

Thucydides undoubtedly heard some of these speeches himself. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book 8, chapter 1. The history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides 431 bc. Viewed merely as a translation, it will be found to contain, owing partly to the corrupt state of the greek text of his day, partly to his habitual disregard of minute details so that accuracy were attained in. Victor davis hanson did not edit the landmark thucydides. History of the peloponnesian war war college series.

Hobbes wording gave me trouble in a few places and it was nice to have the richard crawley translation in the landmark edition handy. This version contains probably the best translation of thucydides, so theres not much more to say to it than that. Of the speeches, the most famous is the funeral oration of pericles, which is found in book two. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, book viii. Chapter xxiv nineteenth and twentieth years of the war revolt of ionia intervention of persia the war in ionia when the news was brought to athens, for a long while they disbelieved even the most respectable of the soldiers who had themselves escaped from the scene of action and clearly reported the matter, a destruction so complete not being thought credible. The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the. Chapter i the state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war. Dec 01, 2004 free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by. The landmark thucydides was such a brilliant concept and so well done that strassler has continued the series. Marchant, originally published in 1891, and the introduction is by thomas wiedemann, who takes into account the needs of the. Written by one of the fathers of western history, thucydides history of the peloponnesian war is a landmark literary and scholarly achievement documenting the pivot point in the golden age of athenian democracy. Id read so many pages in one translation and switch to another. Earl61y in the spring of the summer following, dercyllidas, a spartan, was sent with a small force by land to the hellespont to effect the revolt of abydos, which is a milesian colony. There is thucydides the son of milesias, an athenian, of the town of alope, of whom plutarch speaketh in the life.

Herodotus 1 greek and latin texts with facing vocabulary. The prometheus is translated with correctness and spirit. History of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides book viii the news was brought to athens, but the athenians could not believe that the armament had been so completely annihilated, although they had the positive assurances of the very soldiers who 1 had escaped from the scene of action. The eight books of thucydidess account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation. Thucydides classic work, history of the peloponnesian war, provides us with the historical framework for 5th century greece, a golden age of intellectual achievement and creativity rarely equaled in human history. Thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. A very useful reference book in many respects, but it does lack a contents page.

The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. Thucydides book vi, chapters 3053 and 60105 end the first part of the sicilian expedition edited for beginners in greek, london, j. Thucydides, charles forster smith thucydides, thucydides volume 2 of thucydides. The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition. The speeches in prior books serve the function of bringing the reader into the midst of events, presenting the issues as they would have appeared to the participants in thucydides own view. History of the peloponnesian warbook 8 wikisource, the free. History of the peloponnesian warbook 8 wikisource, the. Thucydides anthology in english and greek side by side. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides free ebook. Greek text with english translation includes index vol. Thucydides recounts his history of the war in eight books the book begins with sparta deciding that peace has been broken and that they need to go to war.

Pericles was a general, the leader we most associate with athens golden age, but he ended up dying of plague before the end of the peloponnesian war. This book, like its companions on thucydides books i and iv, is published primarily for students approaching a book of thucydides for the first time or studying the peloponnesian war in a more general way. The greatest of all greek historians was the athenian general thucydides 455400 b. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history by those who accept his claims to. He saw the rise of athens to greatness under the inspired leadership of pericles.

He uses uncommon words and obscure andor unclear verb conjugations. Murray, 1906, also by percy ure page images at hathitrust. Greek text with facing vocabulary and commentary, 2nd ed. Thucydidess own chronology is more accurately indicated by strasslers running titles which separate the gregorian from the thucydidean book four. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, book viii, chapter 1. A wikipedia article about this author is available thucydides, contrib the english works of thomas hobbes of malmesbury 11 volumes. The merit of hobbes translation of thucydides lies principally in the simplicity and force of the language. A quick word on my experiment with reading the thomas hobbes translation while also looking at the landmark thucydidesit went smoother than i thought it would. It was written by thucydides, an athenian historian who also served as an athenian general during the war. History of the peloponnesian war by thucydides, translated by richard crawley book 8 nineteenth and twentieth years of the war revolt of ionia intervention of persia the war in ionia. The eight books of thucydides s account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation.

With an english translation by charles forster smith see other formats. July 20 this link contains a free pdf copy of herodotus book i. The history of herodotus, parallel englishgreek index. Strassler, a retired businessman turned independent scholar. The history of the peloponnesian war translated by. Shifting characterizations of the common people in. There is thucydides a pharsalian, mentioned in the eighth book of this history. Notes provide information necessary for a fuller understanding of problematic passages, explore their implications as well as the. The reinvention of history, donald kagan is kinder, but even he concedes that his style is often very compressed and difficult to understand, so that any translation is necessarily an interpretation. The book is excellent value for money and the obvious choice for any reader of thucydides. Thucydides is one of the most difficult to translate, so any translation is actually only an interpretation.

Histories, thucydides translated into english volume 1 1 of 32 translations. Athens sends a huge fleet to sicily and suffers disaster. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book 8, chapter 1, section 1. With an english translation, charles forster smith. Thucydides books list of books by author thucydides. The legitimacy of the empire is explored in several passages, notably in the speech at 1. The history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides, tells the story of the war of that name that took place in ancient greece.

The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides, part of the internet classics archive. The first european translation of thucydides into latin was made by the humanist lorenzo valla between 1448 and 1452, and the first greek edition was published by aldo manuzio in 1502. In the list of books youve recommended, you havent included a full translation of thucydides history of the peloponnesian war. The peloponnesian war was really three conflicts 431421, 4154, and 4404 bce that thucydides was still unifying into one account when he died some time before 396 bce. Perhaps thucydides became uncomfortable with making up speeches by the time he reached book 8. Thucydides traces the development of athenian power through the growth of the athenian empire in the years 479 bc to 432 bc in book one of the history 1.

The history of the peloponnesian war translated by richard. His history of the peloponnesian war recounts the fifthcentury bc war between sparta and athens until the year 411 bc. History of the peloponnesian war, volume iii thucydides. History of the peloponnesian warbook 7 wikisource, the. Lets talk about the books youve chosen to better understand thucydides and his time. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, volume i. The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition 9780140440393 by thucydides. The state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war.

A substantial work, but with wonderful readabilityand lightness of touch. Viewed merely as a translation, it will be found to contain, owing partly to the corrupt state of the greek text of his day, partly to his habitual disregard of minute details so. Jun 18, 2007 a modern idiomatic translation of arrian, for example, is arguably stylistically strongly misleading. Mar 30, 2020 thucydides peloponnesian war, steven lattimore translation. Thucydides of athens, one of the greatest of historians, was born about 471 bce. The best books on thucydides five books expert recommendations. What is the best translation of the peloponnesian war by. Plataeans plato pleistoanax pleonexia poets political reference relevant remarks rhetoric to alexander rhetorical say that thucydides semeion sense sentence sicilian expedition sicily socrates sophists sophocles spartan speakers. Thucydidess most popular book is history of the peloponnesian war. I think it is best to start with your book, in which you introduce the work and translate the important speechesrather than immediately committing to a long book.

Really tiny, even for those with excellent eyesight. Although unfinished and as a whole unrevised, in brilliance of description and depth of insight this history has no superior. Winter thus ended, and with it the eighteenth year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. Thucydides, history of the peloponnesian war, volume iv. The history of the peloponnesian war the internet classics. The first unabridged translation into american english, and the first to take into account the wealth of thucydidean scholarship of the last half of the twentieth century, steven lattimores translation sets a new standard for accuracy and reliability. The news was brought to athens, but the athenians could not. Macmillan, london and ny 1890 contents start reading text zipped. The state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it. The news was brought to athens, but the athenians could not believe that the armament 1 had been so completely annihilated, although they had the positive assurances of 2 the very soldiers who 3 had escaped from the scene of action. With an english translation by charles forster smith.

The history of herodotus parallel englishgreek english translation. Shifting characterizations of the common people in modern. A companion to the penguin translation classical studies bk. There are big implications here for our modern admiration of thucydides as a historian. Thucydides peloponnesian war, steven lattimore translation. Book i, chapter 1all quotes from the translation by thomas hobbes thucydides begins his history with a bangthis is a man confident in himself and his story. I did a interesting experiment by reading several translations of thucydides at the same time i have a history degree so theres that. In any case, mynott has had to retain on every page the conventional book and chapter divisions, for ease of. Aug 27, 2019 and this winter ended, and with it ended the twentieth year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. This book does justice to thucydides, the translation is excellent and i recommend this for anyone interested in greek history as this can be read and understood by just about everyone from high school grade level on up. Books iviii, charles forster smith volume 2 of thucydides.

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